"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
03/08/2019 at 05:58 • Filed to: Planelopnik, MH370, Malaysia Airlines
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"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
03/08/2019 at 05:58 • Filed to: Planelopnik, MH370, Malaysia Airlines | 0
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5 years ago today Malaysia Airlines MH370 went missing with 239 people on board.
still yet to be found.
facw
> pip bip - choose Corrour
03/08/2019 at 06:32 |
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It’s still astonishing to me that an airliner can go missing in an age of ubiquitous satellite communications, but that’s where we are I guess.
One thing I found interesting is that during the search, they found at least one, and I think more than one shipwreck, and the response was basically “that’s probably just some 19th century coal hauler, and not worth investigating”. I wonder if people will feel the same way when the airliner is eventually found (I don’t imagine it can stay hidden forever, but it also seems unlikely that it will be found anytime soon).
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pip bip - choose Corrour
> facw
03/08/2019 at 06:36 |
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might have an answer by 2030 though.
:/
Svend
> pip bip - choose Corrour
03/08/2019 at 06:43 |
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Bloody hell, has it been five years already!?
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pip bip - choose Corrour
> Svend
03/08/2019 at 06:44 |
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yes sadly
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Svend
> pip bip - choose Corrour
03/08/2019 at 06:49 |
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There seemed to be a few in a very short space of time, along with other aircraft incidents from smoke on board to avionics not working.
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pip bip - choose Corrour
> Svend
03/08/2019 at 06:51 |
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plus six months after this one, MH17 was shot down over Ukraine
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Svend
> pip bip - choose Corrour
03/08/2019 at 06:53 |
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Ah yes, by the Russian-not-Russians.
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facw
> Svend
03/08/2019 at 07:08 |
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I’d say the Russians were of course chiefly at blame, but it still seems nuts to me that people thought it was a good idea to route commercial airliners over an active war zone. I think it’s probably a sign of how spoiled we are with regards to the dangers of war (a good thing on the whole that there is less war and tension in general, but it seems it makes us complacent to the danger) .
WilliamsSW
> facw
03/08/2019 at 07:20 |
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I flew over Iraq a handful of times in 2006-08. It was calmer than Ukraine was in 2014 , but I still recall feeling a little wary about it. They weren’t launching missiles in Iraq then, though.
In hindsight, going around the Ukraine seems smart - IIRC, some airlines were doing exactly that, and others were not at the time.
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facw
> WilliamsSW
03/08/2019 at 07:30 |
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One big difference between Iraq and Ukraine was that in Iraq, really only the US (and maybe not even us) were operating long range anti-aircraft missiles that could hit an aircraft at cruising altitude. The shoulder launched missiles used a few times by insurgents were really only a threat to aircraft taking off and landing (or performing close air support). In Ukraine by contrast, Ukraine, Russia, and the Russian backed separatists all had access to real SAM batteries with much longer ranges. Add on to that the fact that Ukraine and Russia at least both had aircraft that the other side might try to shoot down, and it seems like it should have been apparent that there was a real risk for a tragic mistake.
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WilliamsSW
> facw
03/08/2019 at 07:44 |
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That’s right. Flying over Iraq, mostly in the middle of the night, it was just thinking that there were plenty of people down there who would like to shoot us down - but they didn’t have the capability.
Ukraine, on the other hand, no one would really want to shoot you down, but they had the capability, and were using it without giving it enough thought, apparently. Way worse.
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Svend
> facw
03/08/2019 at 07:50 |
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Oh the Russians were to blame, they even tracked down the tanks it was likely to of come from. Russians had gone into Ukraine while Russia insisted there was no Russian involvement. Shortly after the incident the tanks were seen being removed from the area on low loaders.
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facw
> Svend
03/08/2019 at 07:56 |
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No question it was a Russian SAM (I think there’s some question as to whether the Russians were operating it vs. Ukrainians loyal to Russia, but that may be a distinction without much difference). The point I was making was just that everyone had the capability to make a mistake (even if the odds of doing so were different) , and in the middle of an armed conflict, airlines should have been more cautious about that.
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Svend
> facw
03/08/2019 at 08:08 |
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Ye’, airlines go by what their government tells them.
I think many countries just classed it as a conflict rather than war. But ye’, the airline should of made the call to go round rather than over fly the region.
CaptDale - is secretly British
> pip bip - choose Corrour
03/08/2019 at 19:08 |
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I can’t believe it has been that long.
Maybe they are trapped on the Island